ꯁꯤꯖꯤꯟꯅꯔꯤꯕ ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ:Haoreima

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1. @Haoreima:; Awangba Mangang (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯹:꯴꯲, ꯲꯸ ꯀꯥꯂꯦꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

@Awangba Mangang: ꯊꯥꯒꯠꯆꯔꯤ꯫ ꯑꯋꯥꯡꯕ ꯃꯉꯥꯡ꯫ Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯰:꯱꯹, ꯷ ꯑꯒꯁ ꯲꯰꯲꯱ (IST)

Hi Haoreima. Do you know what the word for 'comet' is? That would be nice to add, since there's a standard symbol. Kwamikagami (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯱:꯳꯷, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

Kwamikagami Hello friend! If Awangba answers, it's ok. If not so, please give me some time to check about it. I am not sure if ancient Meitei astronomers had coined a term for comet or not. I have some books written Ancient Meitei language. I will check on those to answer your question! Regards! :-) --Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯷:꯱꯶, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

• @Kwamikagami:

1. Comet = ꯁꯉꯥꯏꯁꯦꯜ (Sangaisel latin transliteration). Awangba Mangang (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯰:꯴꯰, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

@Kwamikagami and Awangba Mangang: Let me clarify. Sangaisel Or Sangaisen is the translation of meteorite. Idk if meteorite is similar to comet or not. --Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯰:꯴꯳, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

@Awangba Mangang and Haoreima: No, they're not the same. Dictionaries are often unreliable for this concept. A meteorite is a stone that falls from the sky and lands on the ground. A comet is a "star with a tail" that hangs in the sky, night after night, sometimes for months. Kwamikagami (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯰:꯵꯰, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

@Kwamikagami: Oh now, I understand! So, according to your definition, comet is "Thawaanmichaak Mathi" (ꯊꯋꯥꯟꯃꯤꯆꯥꯛ ꯃꯊꯤ) or "Thawaimichaak Mathi" (ꯊꯋꯥꯢꯃꯤꯆꯥꯛ ꯃꯊꯤ). It literally means the "excreta of a star". Thawaanmichaak or Thawaimichaak means star. And Mathi means excreta. --Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯰:꯵꯴, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

@Kwamikagami: But wait! According to Meitei wikipedia, I found Thawaanmichaak Mathi as "shooting star"! Something confused once again! --Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯰:꯵꯷, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

A shooting star, or meteor, lasts for only a few seconds at most. If it hits the ground, that bit is the meteorite. (But those are quite rare.) In a dark area, away from city lights, you'll see shooting stars every night, sometimes hundreds an hour. A comet is rare, and doesn't appear to move. I've only seen a couple in my life. Sometimes (maybe once in a lifetime) they can be quite spectacular. They'll be in the sky for weeks or months. Kwamikagami (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯰꯲, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

@Kwamikagami: Maybe this dictionary will help you! Please have a look! --Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯰꯴, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

Thanks. I got some of the basic planet names from that dictionary, but they don't have comet. Kwamikagami (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯱꯱, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

@Kwamikagami: Please get aware of the planet names. The author of the dictionary uses Indo-Aryan words instead of Meitei words, especially regarding planet names. For example, Jupiter is translated as "Brihaspati" in that dictionary. Brihaspati is an Indo-Aryan name. Meitei language (Manipuri language) is a Sino-Tibetan language. So, we have our own term for Jupiter. ꯁꯀꯣꯜꯁꯦꯟ ꯊꯄꯤ (Sakolsen Thapi) is the Meitei term for Jupiter. Like this, we should take care while looking at that dictionary, especially for planet names! --Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯱꯵, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

I gave both. E.g. for ♃ there's both ꯖꯨꯄꯤꯇꯔ and ꯁꯀꯣꯜꯁꯦꯟ ꯊꯄꯤ. I wouldn't want to make a decision about something cultural like that, so I'll leave it to you and Awangba whether to keep both. Kwamikagami (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯱꯱:꯳꯸, ꯴ ꯃꯦ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

"ꯒ꯭ꯔꯍꯒꯤ ꯙꯥꯇꯨ" in ꯑꯂꯀꯦꯃꯤ

Hello again,

The planetary symbols are also used as symbols for metals in alchemy. That usage is now obsolete (because alchemy is obsolete), but still, it's something that one may occasionally come across. However, I'm not sure of some of the vocabulary. Would you mind checking? And of course if you feel these definitions do not belong on WP-mni, please remove them.

The first word is 'alchemy' itself. I just used "ꯑꯂꯀꯦꯃꯤ", but I have no good source for that.

Next is the concept of a 'planetary metal'. This isn't necessary, but might help clarify the meaning to the reader. In alchemy, the 7 known metals were associated with the 7 known planets, and became synonyms for them, so for example gold was called 'Sun', copper was called 'Venus', tin was called 'Jupiter', etc. E.g., "mix 1 ounce of sulfur into 3 ounces of molten jupiter" meant mix it into 3 ounces of tin. In English, 'mercury' is still named after the planet -- the non-alchemical (and older) name is 'quicksilver'. There's also the archaic word "saturnism", which meant 'lead poisoning'. I used the phrase ꯒ꯭ꯔꯍꯒꯤ ꯙꯥꯇꯨ, but I don't know if that's a good choice. The planets aren't composed of these metals, they're just symbols for them, like national emblems.

Then there's the names of the metals themselves. I could find most on WP-mni, but am missing antimony (Sb), tin (Sn) and platinum (Pt). (Of those, only tin is a traditional planetary metal, so I didn't use the phrase ꯒ꯭ꯔꯍꯒꯤ ꯙꯥꯇꯨ for the others.)

🜨 was used for verdigris. Verdigris is the green corrosion of copper and bronze. E.g., the Statue of Liberty is green because it's covered in a layer of verdigris. I tried saying "copper rust", but that's probably badly worded.

Finally, the astronomical symbol ⯉ for Neptune is completely obsolete. It probably hasn't been used for a hundred years. I don't know if ꯆꯠꯅꯗ꯭ꯔꯕ is a good word for that.

@Awangba Mangang:

Best, Kwamikagami (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯱:꯲꯳, ꯱꯲ ꯖꯨꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

• @Kwamikagami: For Alchemy spelling should be ꯑꯜꯀꯦꯃꯤ. And ꯒꯒ꯭ꯔꯍꯒꯤ ꯙꯥꯇꯨ is transliterated as Grahgi datu here only gi is Meeteilon. Awangba Mangang (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ)

@Awangba Mangang: Thanks. Should I delete the phrase ꯒꯒ꯭ꯔꯍꯒꯤ ꯙꯥꯇꯨ then? Kwamikagami (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯷:꯲꯹, ꯱꯲ ꯖꯨꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

Kwamikagami Meitei language has terms for chemistry and magic. Chemistry = pottinlon/pottinlol & Magic = mitrang. So, alchemy = magic + chemistry = mitrang pottinlon (ꯃꯤꯇ꯭ꯔꯪ ꯄꯣꯠꯇꯤꯟꯂꯣꯟ) or mitrang pottinlol (ꯃꯤꯇ꯭ꯔꯪ ꯄꯣꯠꯇꯤꯟꯂꯣꯜ). --Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯷:꯵꯳, ꯱꯲ ꯖꯨꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)

Indo Aryan terms like jadu, maya, etc. for "magic / sorcery" & rasayan for "chemistry" were used in medieval Meitei. But in modern times, the usage of foreign language words is reduced. --Haoreima (ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ) ꯰꯷:꯵꯶, ꯱꯲ ꯖꯨꯟ ꯲꯰꯲꯲ (IST)